Re: Being in Dreaming Review

[Purple Owl]

Oh yes!

One of my favourites!   Gotta love the witches.   
Like your new avatar btw... Lovely day in the park.

Yes we were in the forest, then went to a lovely pub just on the outskirts...



Ok so what would you say about the book, to someone who had not read it before? I mean what catches you about it?

[Lori Anne]

Ok so what would you say about the book, to someone who had not read it before? I mean what catches you about it?

Well for anyone who has read CC, BID is cool because it has a lot of the same characters, but she tells it from a warmer, more emotional female persepctive.  I also like that she gives actual methods to her energy work, meditations etc, things a witch can DO in practise.  Also I found with this book, reading it made it very easy for me to dream with the Witches, esp Florinda but also with the entire group.

[Purple Owl]

Well for anyone who has read CC, BID is cool because it has a lot of the same characters, but she tells it from a warmer, more emotional female persepctive.  I also like that she gives actual methods to her energy work, meditations etc, things a witch can DO in practise.  Also I found with this book, reading it made it very easy for me to dream with the Witches, esp Florinda but also with the entire group.

Yes I too enjoyed the female perspective - I had noticed subtle little things in my dreaming when I 1st read it and also on the 2nd time round. I was fascinated when reading it and finding more on these characters unravel. Esperanza, Nelida and the other Dreamers seemed or seem to act through the pages.

[Purple Owl]

But if I hadn't read the book I'd like to know more perhaps about it. Could we elaborate on reviewing some of the books? There are some books that you have read that I have not, and also some I have that you may not have.

"Florinda Donna takes into an account of how she meets a set of Sorcerers and starts to learn about their world. It challenges her own beliefs or more so the manner in which she carries out her life. Florinda seems to embody the typical Western Women from this age. What we are taught to be or what females are taught to be through this Western Society seems to have a head-on collision with the female power of something much older. These are the 4 winds who openly put her in her place. But it is also a friendly encounter, a mysterious one, and one that lets you as the reader drop into the dream itself and notice it somehow dreaming through you."

[Jaguar Warrior]

So is the idea that we relay our views of any book here into this thread? Do you mean Toltec Books only, or any book that is relevant to our path, or just any old book to do with any random thing?

[Jaguar Warrior]

I suppose we cannot really forget to mention Carlos Castaneda's books when discussing Toltec knowledge. What Carlos did was to put into book form a continuation of a knowledge system that stemmed into something much deeper and all encompassing than books can contain. What his books integrated into was the Nagual's Rule, something passed down lines of beings much alike how Fathers and Mothers pass down wealth to their offspring. The knowledge contained within the books challenges every aspect of the knowledge we have come to take for granted as our known, Western Society and Culture. The movement of this entire knowledge is rooted into a realisation that we are far more than we are told we are and it thusly goes in almost the opposite direction to the movement contained in the knowledge that we ourselves inherited.



Of Castaned's books, 'Tales of Power' brings to the reader some amazing tales that describe how Carlos becomes a witness to a much deeper knowledge and experience of life that is one and the same movement as the earth itself and all the lives on it. This book is the one which brings forth the concept of Luminous Beings to the Western World. It helped us in the Western World to start to realise what this was and regain some realisations and seeing ourselves.

The thing with Castaneda's books is that we can become swapped in a way by his world, often hooked, yet upon looking back at our own world fail to see how we could align such a journey ourselves. There is a hangover left with the reader of failure. I have this feeling from every book of his that I have read. But the failure is not just personal to me, it is an almost global thing, certainly a societal thing. That mood somehow affects our Intent, but we have to seperate out our Intent from Castaneda himself and be Seers of our own.

Castaneda introduces us to two aspects; the Tonal and the Nagual. These are the final 2 points of Luminous Beings, after; Reason, Talking, Seeing, Dreaming, Will & Feeling.

There are echos from this book in the world that surrounds us, the world we know, the world we knew as children where there is interwoven aliveness rather than a seperated knowledge that is a study of - a kind of broken branch reality where the sap is no longer flowing through. The other points of our Luminous-Selves may start to have glimpses or flashes of remembering and for many a Warrior I have met, this is the starting point. The journey of the Warrior is therefore to remember, it is to reach his or her totality and this totality is the live active use of all 8 points.

[Purple Owl]

One observation is to witness 3 points; influence, what we read & what we relay about our own dream.

At first as adults we can only relate what has influenced us whether this is in cohesion or in an act of rebellion to what has influenced us.
Most of all we relay what we have read that we have internally agreed to or we relay it in order to outwardly disagree with it. When we relay what we have read we try and fit it into our dream, this is fine, we are learning about oursleves. We are being real to what layers we ourselves wish to wrap around our Intent.
The most real though is what we relay about our dream. Even a simple story of what we have done in the day allows our attention to actually move over the live event that we are alive. Being hooked onto the dreams that others have had, especially to an extent where it over shadows our own dream is in my view to not be real, it is to not be aligned to Intent. Well it is yes ok, but it is an alignment to a spirit that is another Intent rather than the Intent of self. 

What we say will always be 'Tales of someone else's Power' until we aqcuire some footing in the Mastery of Intent. But by all means, let's discuss what we have read and highlight what we like about these influences.

[Jaguar Warrior]

Merilyn Tunneshende

[Jaguar Warrior]

Merilyn Tunneshende

[Jaguar Warrior]

Merilyn Tunneshende

[Lori Anne]

Ooh, some new books to look for. Merilyn Tunneshende has some good stuff,  I've read excerpts here and there.


Merilyn is the author of two books on shamanism and sacred sexuality. Her work concentrates on the evolutionary and enlightening aspects of sexual energy, awakened dreaming, and the development of the energy body as a vehicle for realization and liberation.

She has been involved with shamanic dreaming since childhood. Her most recent work has focused on energetic healing, sacred feminine and masculine empowerments, the purging of collective delusions, and beyond-death states.

Merilyn holds degrees in Language, Comparative Religion, Philosophy and Education. She is the author of Don Juan And The Art Of Sexual Energy: The Rainbow Serpent of the Toltecs and Don Juan And The Power Of Medicine Dreaming: A Nagual Woman's Journey of Healing.
To discover more about Marilyn Tunneshende, visit her website at www.toltec.org

[Jaguar Warrior]

Florinda Donner-Grau

[Jaguar Warrior]

Florinda Donner-Grau

[Lori Anne]

Florinda Donner-Grau

Haven't read this one yet, but I have dreamed of it.  I hear it is amazing.  Have you read it Jag?  What did you think?

[Jaguar Warrior]

Taisha Abelar