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« on: March 19, 2010, 05:29:38 pm »

Karma to me is a bit like gravity in physics. Physics arguably has parallels in the mental realm and vice versa. I don't think it is good nor bad but just stuff that exists that we can view and enjoy and make use of without being binded by concepts such as good or bad that we make around or about it. It gets tricky here because the concepts we create and or accept can also bind us and blind us to our own beingness which in itself is unbounded by the concepts we create. The concepts are fun and like building blocks or leggos for children and with our thoughts and concepts we build worlds and relationships and soul groups and myriads of things, and sometimes these are shared concepts even to the point of mass illusions, and I consider this all fun and play, but it is still like Buddha said in the Diamond that cuts through illusion treatise, the physical realm is like a dream and an illusion compared to the Spiritual realm where we are all always together in Eternal Bliss - which is our true home or beingness after all.
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« Reply #1 on: March 19, 2010, 06:37:46 pm »

yeah, consider me a friend...
if you know what i mean.. (rather beyond!)

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« Reply #2 on: May 22, 2010, 07:05:37 pm »

Karma to me is a bit like gravity in physics. Physics arguably has parallels in the mental realm and vice versa....

and with our thoughts and concepts we build worlds and relationships and soul groups and myriads of things, and sometimes these are shared concepts even to the point of mass illusions, and I consider this all fun and play, but it is still like Buddha said in the Diamond that cuts through illusion treatise, the physical realm is like a dream and an illusion compared to the Spiritual realm where we are all always together in Eternal Bliss - which is our true home or beingness after all.

The problem with this is that until you can ACT as reality that is beyond illusion, then you cannot claim to be beyond illusion.  And in that sense, it is not illusion but instead it is your experience of reality.  You cannot claim to actually know anything about our "true home or beingness" because this is just another concept.

Perhaps the physical realm is "a dream and an illusion", but if this is the case - go ahead and stick a needle into your eyeball and then tell me the experience of how illusory that is.  Some people may be able to do this without pain and without injury - and to them, yes certainly physical reality is nothing but an illusion.  But until you are able to DO this, it is not just an illusion but also your dominant reality - meaning that the word "illusion" has no impact on its effectiveness in regards to your being, which is entirely conditioned by physical reality as well as the internal extrapolations derived from it.  Until you are experiencing permanent or eternal bliss, you actually know nothing about "Eternal Bliss".

The first thing to deal with is the illusions in which symbology and concepts are taken for actual physical things - in other words, confusing the menu for the meal.  You dont eat the word "sandwich", you actually eat the sandwich.. however many people are unaware of just how solidified their experience of symbology and conceptual thought really is.  They take the concept as being actually real in and of itself, rather than a representation of another more comprehensive energetic phenomena.

In fact this very delusion is what causes people to constantly harp on teachings as being proof of their own realization.  The teachings prove nothing by themselves, they are only notes from someone who has learned them.  You may tell yourself that "reality is just a dream" but this actually has no bearing on your personal reality until it is realized as such by you yourself.  The solidity of the personal conceptual reality of the 'internal dialog' and so forth takes on a life of its own and becomes more real than physical reality.  That is the underlying issue which must be dealt with first - and it must be dealt with completely and fully before one can even begin to consider transcending the actual physical reality it is derived from in the first place. 

The wisdom and knowledge of DNA itself is entirely beyond the scope of the current human understanding in terms of what people are taught and conditioned with.  The vast majority of dialectic information and so forth which is constantly enforced and reinforced in the mind by human society is not consciously informed by the wisdom and knowledge of DNA.  It is rather informed by many superficial layers of completely reflexive (or mechanical) reasoning and so-called rationality which has been multiplying and dividing since language itself was first created.  The 'how' and 'why' of all manner of psychological issues are very apparent to those who have gone deeper than the psychological manifestations, and it is only by going within yourself that such understanding is ever possible.  It is not by listening to the thoughts of others or simply reading various teachings that such understanding is reached.  These realities must be personally experienced - at length and in depth - in order to reach the realization that is prior to any sort of conceptualization and symbology.  You must uncover the workings of your own mind, and you must do it yourself.  You cannot be told about this.  There is no reference for a non-referenced reality.

Therefore the entire structure of conceptual reality must be dismantled and understood at its root cause before one can attempt to go beyond it.  Until that happens, even the most profound treatise remains nothing more than another concept - another symbol - another cage or prison of the mind.  The illusion of being awake is taken as actually being awake.  This is the most fundamental obstacle of the path.

That is why there is the practice of "transmission" in buddhism.  Or "shaktipat" in yoga.  In toltec terms, the heightened awareness is simply given to the student - the nagual moves the assemblage point of the apprentice by virtue of his own being.  The energetic reality of the deeper awareness must be actually experienced by the student, because it is only then that any sort of teaching about it can occur.  You cannot simply read about such things or listen to the words in reference to it and therefore gain understanding about it.  Understanding occurs when the reality is not only known, but also felt and sensed as well - simultaneously.  Realization occurs when this triad of experience becomes an aspect of being itself. It is not something that is built or additionally created, but rather a return to the origin of being itself.  The only way for this to occur is to undo all of the conditioning that prevents it - so while there is a vast amount of work involved, it is a work of negating the negation.  Redeploying energy, as DJ would put it. 

All too often this kind of work (spiritual practices, etc.) is taken for granted as being purely an exercise in thought and mental gymnastics.  Such "work" is not actual practice, it is just a kind of theoretical gaming.  Practice is not only involved with the words and descriptions and teachings and so forth.  There is also the emotional and physical aspect of the work as well.  There is an energetic reality to the work, not just a conceptual one.  The harmonious integration of body, mind, and spirit is the foundation for evolution (which is the work that comes after integration).  Until this harmonious integration is established, there will be no possibility for evolution... only fantasies and daydreams about it.  This kind of manifestation is the same which continuously occupies everyone's time and energy - it is very ordinary - certainly not non-ordinary.
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« Reply #3 on: May 23, 2010, 07:28:21 am »


Well said primordial. Afro
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« Reply #4 on: May 23, 2010, 07:35:58 am »


One thought is, that karma, at very best can be the energy, that in which we travel in.

If somethings real that is. Roll Eyes

or not?  Tongue
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« Reply #5 on: May 23, 2010, 08:00:12 am »

The "problem" with this? No, I don't have a problem with this, I said it as it is.

Now, others may desire to find "problems" with this, and tell others what good boys they are for
finding problems with what I said. This does not make what I said a problem to me.
I don't see a single thing wrong or problematic with what the original post here stated.
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« Reply #6 on: May 23, 2010, 08:20:05 am »

Of course mayflow!

This is the "crown" of it, poeticaly speaking.

Always as it is ~

There is a word in my language, "εξυπακουεται" which accurately means heard (from all angles, or just heard - by the universe lets say.. the tranlator translated it as understood.

So..
understood!

If that makes sense!
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« Reply #7 on: May 23, 2010, 08:49:05 am »

One other thought about Karma in general is that something is heading towards (a) completion in this world, or this world - Earth.*

I don't know if the much-talked-on year 2012 is on a major role , lets say or if even this is it. ...

Different approach to Karma.

My thought ~

* Surely I messed it with this sentence a bit.Though, no harm.
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« Reply #8 on: May 24, 2010, 09:13:29 am »


There is a word in my language, "εξυπακουεται" which accurately means heard (from all angles, or just heard - by the universe lets say..

I love this,  wish I could hear how this word is spoken!
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« Reply #9 on: May 24, 2010, 10:44:13 am »


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« Reply #10 on: May 24, 2010, 11:13:03 am »



particulars not on external harddrive, but possibly in local press.
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« Reply #11 on: December 06, 2010, 04:26:37 am »

http://www.gildedbuddha.com/select.htm

it is possible that a whole life comes in a body of sound.

i wonder if the celestial blueprint can complete further dynamics.
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« Reply #12 on: December 15, 2010, 09:42:01 am »



yet another aspect, just meeting..
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