Bill C-51

[songbird]

i would think many americans....mexicans....canadians might be interested in a proposal before the canadian government at this moment...called Biill C-51...it is last step for implementing the Codex Alimentarus...which will outlaw any herb or natural substance grown...used...personally or administered...not on the list of controlled substances...and what is on the list is tiny which will be administered by the pharmaceutical machine
but...no...no-one can see it appears
though...you realise if i post links here this website will become known
so....bolltcutters anyone?
please...wake up !

I can't actually fathom why the gov't would want to do this..  Or how we could allow it.

Scarey, really


Bill C-51, which would lead to more regulatory scrutiny of natural health products sold in Canada, is drawing some criticism.

A rally was held Friday at the Federal Court in Calgary to protest passage of the proposed legislation, which would amend the federal Food and Drugs Act.

One hundred protesters showed up to voice their opinions about the legislation, which received second reading in April.

Websites and online groups have sprung up across the country imploring their members to lobby their MPs to halt the progress of the bill.

Critics feel the bill will outlaw up to 60 per cent of natural health products currently sold in Canada, making many natural health products that have been sold in Canada for decades unavailable for purchase and penalizing parents who give herbs or supplements to their children.

They also argue that the government could designate any natural health product a prescription drug, making it available by prescription only. They say these types of provisions will force small companies out of the market.
http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/05/09/bill-c51.html


Yesterday the Minister of Health introduced Bill C-51 into the House of Commons.  The Bill passed first reading.  The following is a link to a version of the Bill:

http://www2.parl.gc.ca/HousePublications/Publication.aspx?DocId=3398126&


The need for pre-market approval becomes part of the Act as opposed to part of the Regulations – And the Criteria Changes.

 

The new section 12 provides:

 

12(1) No person shall advertise, sell or import for sale a therapeutic product that does not have a market authorization or is not a designated therapeutic product.

 

The Act does not currently require Health Canada pre-approval for the sale of drugs.  For there to be a pre-approval requirement, it has to be added in the Regulations.  So for example, the NHP Regulations require pre-approval.

 

This change will mean that there is a blanket need for pre-approval and any exception needs to be added to the Regulations. 

 

What has changed is that the Act will now presume that all “therapeutic products” are dangerous and need pre-approval unless specifically exempted.

 

Again part of the general tightening in Bill C-51. 

 

Concerning the criteria change: section 18.7 will only enable Health Canada to issue market authorization if satisfied “that the benefits that are associated with the therapeutic product outweigh the risks.”  Risks are not defined and so it is unclear if Health Canada will continue to use risk factors such the risk people will not seek “proper” (i.e. read mainstream medical) treatment if they take an NHP.

 

This criteria change is legislating an efficacy requirement.   The NHPD will have to have evidence of efficacy before they can determine that the benefits outweigh any risks.

 

This balancing is appropriate for chemical drugs that carry a high risk profile.  The industry will have to discuss whether it is appropriate for the NHP industry which has never caused a single death in Canadian history.  In any event, if Bill C-51 passes, the goal posts for the NHP industry will change which should require re-licensing of NHPs.

 

 

After the Act is changed to require NHPs to demonstrate their benefits outweigh their risks, NHPs can only be exempted from this requirement if the federal cabinet is satisfied that their nature is such that a risk assessment is not necessary

 

I have just discussed how the Act will now require proof of efficacy before a product can be licensed unless it is specifically exempted.  It needs to be appreciated, however, that there are limits on exempting products from this requirement.  The new subsection 30(1.1) contains this limit as follows:

 

30 (1.1) a regulation may be made under paragraph (1)(d) [the section governing the designation of therapeutic products] only if the Governor in Council is satisfied that the therapeutic product is one that by its nature does not need to be the subject of an assessment of its benefits and risks.

 

This means that the federal cabinet could only exempt NHPs or a class of NHPs from the new proof of efficacy requirement “if” they are satisfied that “by its nature” it does not need to be subject to a benefit and risk analysis.  This is very vague and there is no mechanism in place for making submissions to the cabinet. 

 

If Bill C-51 passes, those in the industry such as our advisory board who would like to see NHPs to be presumed safe until proven to be dangerous will be disappointed.  It would require a change to the new Act as opposed to a change to the regulations.

 
http://www.healthcanadaexposed.com/discussion.htm


~Honestly, what is the point of all of this?  Doctors and the gov't don't make enough money already?  The have to have their finger in the Natural Health pie as well?
Come on...

[Zamurito]

~

One word.

"Control."

[♀♥Lady Urania♥♀]

Makes me wonder if they want everyone addicted to prescription meds.

[songbird]

I have an idea!

We could all do some kind of a small global (a la Gypsy Garden) meditation or directed intent in re to this Bill.
If anyone's interested let's talk about it here.  We can figure out where and when etc.

[mayflow]

Here is some discussion of it...

http://www.cbc.ca/health/story/2008/05/09/bill-c51.html

What I find is that most of the media stuff is very negative about the Billl,
but then a lot of that stuff is from people who try to create negative
vibes and fears like Falco. Already, I saw where Lori talked about being
scared ****less if she were an American because of Falco's conspiracy theories.
(which are likely derived from late-night radio talkshows theat prey on people who feel helpless over their own lives) Why all thenegative press on this if the all the news media is controlled by 13 families?

Also, I cannot belive that anybody could think the US military attacked
New York City at 9/11. Considering Falco's stuff so far, why should I think this is not
just as misinformed and fear-based conspiracy theory hype?

[Lori Anne]

Well

The thing is what we focus on is what we create, so I could easily focus on the neg aspects of this Bill...
Thus lending my energy into creating that which I fear and detest..
but I do not wish to do that.  Nor do I wish to perpetuate the awareness of conspiracy theories, American or Candian
I myself have been in the possition of feeling scaered of, running from what's out there. The unkown, the hidden, the lies.  I do not see that this is necessary, so in creating my world, how I wish it to be, I create what I desire
and see that  which I wish to perptuate.  Love

That's all.  Is it enough?
You bet!

[Sano Mor]

Mayflow...i am not here to fuel yours or anyones fear...you are all capable of fueling your own fear
i do not believe what anyone tells me...i look for myself
your sulkiness is simply a reaction...your petulant eye-closing desperately wants to hold onto the familiar...which was never there
what i have mentioned is the tip of the iceberg as it were...a tiny refection in a huge mirror...a flicker in the corner of your eye
this earth is a prison planet...and has been this way for a long time
see very soon how you will find it even more difficult to keep your mind closed and your eyes cast down...but keep trying....keep up the habits
look to your stomach...is there any food to eat..use your credit card to buy more
then what will you eat?
then the fear will turn to anger and desperation...but never fear...there are huge detention camps already built for the unruly
you see...what is unfolding at bewildering speed for much of the world has been planned a long time in advance
i came here to warn you and the others...there are many things one can do
the world as you know it in a comfortable-way is already gone...you are simply seeing your ghost amongst ghosts
some will fight...some will capitulate...many will die not knowing why
you talk of the practices...the ascension...the light...reality is made by meme godamn it !
the mind creates...and if the mind has been developed to create a certain reality then that is what will be experienced
what has been developing your mind?...you?...your thoughts?
where do these thoughts come from?
i will place another so-called fear in here...another truth too hard to see
the real reason behind your dark masters' plan...the wars the povery the poisons the television the cancers...the things you do not know but by proxy
is to dampen your awareness...to recycle it in never-ending stories within the pettiness of your mind and memory
so you will reap constant karmah...and the shock of death will place billions into another cycle of reincarnation to do exactly the same thing all over again
the dark ones want to keep humanity in the closed circuit television of karmic strands
do you understand....they know all the secrets you have been practicing...the ancient knowledge
their leaders are masters...their minions are adepts
they gain power from people who know not what they do
you can dismiss my words....you will know the truth held within these words very soon and you would know the truth before now if you willed this
i could cite you thousands of pages of information....not written by other fearing souls...but by the one's who control you
you see?...if you want to hide something...place it in full view...one of their names they call themselves is the Illuminati...
who's light do you stand in ?
people will not see
WILL
do you know that right now this forum is being monitored...because i am here?
there are a many here with the power to fight....and a few who understand the dynamics of what they are fighting
for me it is not about meme...it is about our children...there are many camps of old souls who are protecting the children...away from the sickness of city life
i fight on many levels....my predilections...my power is multidimensional
i feed people whole organically grown foods and herbs and many other awareness enhancers
i fight in realms beyond your imagination
i am very old and i am a child
did you drink coca cola to wash down that burger and when you felt thirsty getting home you drank municipal town supply water then use your cell phone to call a loved one before you sat down on a sofa leaking toxic fumes to watch television to pass the time?
you just distorted your awareness into a pathetic resemblance of your true heritage
it is vital to dream big...to be more than we are...it is vital to see
perhaps some will come to know the unfathomable power of your heritage as human
i am not human...i am here...and i fight
i do not require anything of you or anyone...not your fear nor your love
love yourself beyond that which you think you know
if you wish to know more...think of me
 "FEAR NOT BE FREE "
this moment in the history...the tonal...of this earth is magnificent...we stand to gain everything or lose everything
how marvellous!!!!...to be aware
it is as it always is and was for every sentient creature in every moment

[Lori Anne]

this moment in the history...the tonal...of this earth is magnificent...we stand to gain everything or lose everything
how marvellous!!!!...to be aware
it is as it always is and was for every sentient creature in every moment

.

[Sano Mor]

beautiful !
thank you !

[Sano Mor]

 "Fear not be Free "...the nagual Lujan Matus

[Lori Anne]

beautiful !
thank you !

Welcome!
 

Ain't she pretty?  I love her lil feet and eyes.

[Nai]

is to dampen your awareness...to recycle it in never-ending stories within the pettiness of your mind and memory
so you will reap constant karmah...and the shock of death will place billions into another cycle of reincarnation to do exactly the same thing all over again
the dark ones want to keep humanity in the closed circuit television of karmic strands
do you understand....they know all the secrets you have been practicing...the ancient knowledge
their leaders are masters...their minions are adepts
they gain power from people who know not what they do
you can dismiss my words....you will know the truth held within these words very soon and you would know the truth before now if you willed this
one of their names they call themselves is the Illuminati...

who's light do you stand in ?

do you know that right now this forum is being monitored...because i am here?

for me it is not about meme...it is about our children...there are many camps of old souls who are protecting the children...away from the sickness of city life
i fight on many levels....my predilections...my power is multidimensional
i feed people whole organically grown foods and herbs and many other awareness enhancers
i fight in realms beyond your imagination
i am very old and i am a child
did you drink coca cola to wash down that burger and when you felt thirsty getting home you drank municipal town supply water then use your cell phone to call a loved one before you sat down on a sofa leaking toxic fumes to watch television to pass the time?
you just distorted your awareness into a pathetic resemblance of your true heritage
it is vital to dream big...to be more than we are...it is vital to see
perhaps some will come to know the unfathomable power of your heritage as human
i am not human...i am here...and i fight
i do not require anything of you or anyone...not your fear nor your love
love yourself beyond that which you think you know
if you wish to know more...think of me
 "FEAR NOT BE FREE "
this moment in the history...the tonal...of this earth is magnificent...we stand to gain everything or lose everything
how marvellous!!!!...to be aware
it is as it always is and was for every sentient creature in every moment

Everything you said was intriguing. I have always pondered conspiracy theories. As a child I pondered that we are all being manipulated by unknown forces to perceive only this one reality that we all see. Manipulated to be stuck in the first attention. Of course as a kid I didn't call this common reality the first attention.
I also pondered the prison planet idea, even came up with something called the "First People". Recently I discovered someone else who mentioned the same idea. I think these ideas came to me from some special storage of knowledge. I was going to cite for you the story of the First Peoples but I can't remember exactly hiow it goes and can't find the link from my friend who knows the story. Nevertheless, the basic idea is that long ago when the powers that be issued the creation of this prison planet they had a specific way they wanted it and the First People are a race of magical shaman like beings that are called upon to build natural habitats for people to live in. And I think the First People also help to create the first people on whatever planet they create...but I could be wrong about that. Never the less the First People left the first people of our planet with the magical heritage of shamanism and with the responsibility of caring for life on this planet. Even though they were sent to help create the life on this planet they where not co-conspirators in imprisoning us, though they weren't necessarily giving us the tools to free ourselves either, just increasing the odds that we could free ourselves.

The actual story is much more interesting, but that is some of the basic idea.

I don't know if I believe any of this conspiracy theory stuff, but I look at them not as fear inducing stories but as motivation to improve myself. Whether they are true or not I can store the stories in the section of my head tited "it is possible, and what if it is true, and if it is true what can I do about it?" The stories themselves, true or not, do help to shed light on certain frightening, even somewhat terrifying aspects of life that are true. Whether or not it is all orchestrated by some dark force, Illuminati or devil, what is happening is true.

Truth:

We do drink coca cola, overdosing on sugar and potentially harmful chemicals, to wash down the flesh of dead animals, who are killed in masses, a significant chunk of that meat never gets bought and is waisted and thrown away so the animals die for almost no reason. Our bodies aren't even designed to efficiently digest meat yet in the U.S. and some other counties esp. western ones meat or animal products are eaten more than almost any other food except maybe refined sugars. We know for a fact, scientific even that our bodies need more nutrients than just meat and refined sugars, and that we need a significant amount of fiber to ensure proper removal of waist from our bodies. Yet our dieties in western society lack significant amounts of the other nutritions and fiber etc when we take those multivitamins, but we also know for a fact that the nutrition in the multi-vitamin is better digested with good food, which many people don't eat.  Now you could argue to the factualness of some of that, but still consider what harm would it do to add a more diverse selection of healthy foods to your diet? So true or not if you think pragmatically there is something to be gained from this line of reasoning.

We do shop till we drop and spend money we don't have that we know we need to survive in world that entertains us in a petty superficial game which distracts and entrances us from focusing on or remembering a deeper significance to life. Like that run on sentence? People are driven to fill the void in their hearts with cheap fleeting pleasures that they can buy at a "discounted price" for a "limited time" at the local market place amusement park. You spend so much time at the mall window shopping you forget the only thing you really need is the spirit within your own being. Well I'll tell you, I'm not going to "discount the price" of my "limited time" on this earth, by fallowing the herd to be fattened up for the slaughter, becoming a product. Metaphorically speaking it isn't you who is buying the product, it is the makers of the product who are buying you off, think about it. True or not, who cares, we could all benefit from not throwing away what little money we earn, and waisting our time on cheap instant gratification.

The point being that most conspiracy theories hold some glimmer of truth that if understand can help us. Don't write it off because you are scared of the dark or scared of the devil.

[Lori Anne]

Everything you said was intriguing. I have always pondered conspiracy theories. As a child I pondered that we are all being manipulated by unknown forces to perceive only this one reality that we all see. Manipulated to be stuck in the first attention. Of course as a kid I didn't call this common reality the first attention.

Pfew, me too as a kid and also when I went 'crasy' it got to the point where I couldn't stop thinking about this.  I got extremely frightened.  Evevtually I came to accept things and realise that my fear is the only thing that can ever really harm me...

Well I'll tell you, I'm not going to "discount the price" of my "limited time" on this earth,

Nice.

[Nai]

I was never that scared, it was always just an idea for me. An idea that scared me just a little, enough to make me look for ways out of prison, I count those ideas amongst the things that led me to this path. I was always able to stay sober with the thought that I have no proof of these things and that if I did acquire proof letting myself freak out is probably what the bad guys want anyway, so I owe it to myself and humanity to stay cool...that is if any of it is true.

Of course that isn't to say the conspiracies didn't lead me to go a little crazy once....Landed me in prison for a month for lying to a police officer about my identity, I lead about 6 or more times in a row. The shear stupidity of my actions on this account says I deserved to be locked up for a month. Plus it was actually a very rewarding experience in the end. In this case it was an old Conspiracy theory I had about how the darl sorcerers that rule the world behind the scenes have certain places around the world that serve special purposes, like power spots for the dark side, but these specific spots each of special preplaned purposes for being and were created by the dark sorcerers. If your lost in this rant let me elaborate: Specifically in this case I was terrified by the idea that a special dreamworld was created on the Astral plan for most of Pennsylvania. This dream was designed to control the people and even nature itself in a certain way so as to aid the bad guys in the creations of Transhumanist world; a fusion of the inorganic technology and organic nature. A special pact was made with the natural world where it was agreed that they could do this so long as part of nature was aloud to survive in the process. (This giving people a glimmer of a chance at freedom)

In this case I thought I had discovered a place where I could find proof of the conspiracy. I suppose it possible that I was on to something, but.... Well I don't know I may have to check out again but this time take better precautions. I was driving around in a car acting obviously weird. I would start and stop and random places, drive the wrong direction down one way streets, and break all manner of other traffic rules.

The cops were not happy with me.   

[Lori Anne]

This is kind of funny, but  I recall something similar happening to me a few years ago.  Except instead of driving around like  a nutbar,  I was walking around, kinda freaked out, not sure where to go.   Back and forth, up and down the streets, not feeling safe enough to go one way or another.  Finally cops came up to me and told me I was acting weird.  I wasn't sure if the guy was actaully a cop so refused to get in the car. Luckily, I didn't end up getting shot or arrested, he finally just let me walk away even more freaked out.  I kinda came to the same realisation as you, to get me out of the fear.  That is what 'they' want (if any or all of it was/is true)  So, true to my stubborn and somewhat  rebellious nature, I was determined not to give them what they wanted.

lol

Seems so silly now, thanks for sharing your story, Nick.